This week we sit down with Joel Payne, a Vice President at Qorvis MSL Group, a strategic communications firm. Joel served as the Director of African American Paid Media for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign. We talk about demographic shifts, and how to harness the current enthusiasm of progressives, and why progressives should resist the urge to paint Trump supporters with the same broad brush.

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